Michael Mann Controversy
Dr. Michael Mann, one of the leading scientists implicated in the Climategate scandal, was so upset over a YouTube video that poked fun at his role in the affair that he threatened to sue the video’s producer. The video, entitled ‘Hide the Decline,’ was introduced in the wake of Climategate in late 2009 and immediately went viral. The video had received over half a million views and was featured on a variety of national news and talk radio programs, including Rush Limbaugh and CBS Evening News.
The video was produced by a group known as Minnesotans for Global Warming (M4GW) which consists of three guys who moonlight creating humorous Internet videos in response to the global warming hysteria. One of the group’s members received a letter from Michael Mann’s attorney in March 2010, threatening to sue if the video was not removed from the group’s website. M4GW complied by taking the video down from their YouTube channel, but several copies persist on the internet, as above. It’s near impossible to control this kind of content one it’s been unleashed online. The question at hand is whether “Hide the Decline” defames or defines Michael Mann (read the article: Michael Mann: Defamed or Defined by “Hide the Decline?”)
Hide The Decline II
In response to Mann’s threat, the No Cap and Trade Coalition has developed a new version of the video entitled ‘Hide the Decline II’ which can be viewed below.
Members of the No Cap-and-Trade coalition traveled to Washington DC to conduct a press conference in April 2010 in support of M4GW, one of the coalition member organizations. Dr. Pat Michaels presented a slide presentation highlighting some of the emails that were at the heart of the Climategate controversy. The coalition asserts that Dr. Mann essentially has no case. As a public figure engaged in a public policy debate, Dr. Mann has no expectation of privacy and is subject to public criticism for his position on the issues. The coalition has developed a white paper entitled, “Dr. Michael Mann: Defamed or Defined by Hide the Decline,” which defends the video.
Chicken Little Goes to Washington
Chicken Little, a friend of M4GW, also attended the press conference to stand-up for his friends. The video below documents Chicken Little’s journey to Washington DC.
Legal Defense Fund
Even though we believe Dr. Mann has no case, he may decide to proceed with suing M4GW anyway. The group has setup an online donation capability for their legal defense fund. We encourage all freedom-loving people to give generously to their cause.
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Great video, guys! I really liked the first one, but in a way this second video is better because it shows exactly what M. Mann has done to the MWP and Maunder Minimum. It also shows where his “hockey stick” temperatures come from–by switching horses in mid-stream. No scientistist worth his salt does that! If Mann ever does decide to sue you guys, I’ll send you some cash (being rather broke myself).
Mann is such a jerk.
How do I get on the legal defense team?
my goodness, have you seen how big this scheister organization is? it’s huge? How is Mann paying for this?
I think we ought to fax this attorneys office and tell them what a bunch of losers they and Michael Mann are.
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As if taking the original video down is going to get it off the Web. Dr. Mann is flaunting an abject illiteracy with regard to the Internet. For a union-card-carrying “scientist” especially, the man is a blithering fool.
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If Michael Mann is a college professor at Penn State he doesn’t have a lot of money to hire an attorney so why all the fuss, unless he is getting kickbacks on the side say from people like Al Gore.
Unfortunately, people like him always find some Marxist organization to fund them.
Mann doesn’t need a marxist government other than his own. Now that Obama is in office we’re closer than ever before to being a Marxist state.
When you consider that Mann got most of his money from the 1.9 trillion that the US has put out in funding to study global warming, you wonder how people like Al Gore and James Hoggan can sleep at night trying to reverse the truth and throw ad hominem after red herring at real scientists that don’t need to use FORTRAN programming code and data that was said to be bad data because it was an anomaly to get their point across. They just use the scientific method. That’s why there is less “peer review” journaling on the side of the skeptics because the buddy system works better in science journalism than any where else. Don’t believe what we believe? well your out. I can provide at least half a dozen cases where previously published scientists are no longer being published. And should we really compare the 1.7 trillion give by the American government and who knows how much else by the UN through the IPCC and Pachauri. Should we really go on and on about 53 million dollars used to forward science by Exxon so the warmists can’t get away with their scheming lying ways in comparison to trillions spent on things like the hockey stick?
alen Haugh says:
April 20, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Great video, guys! I really liked the first one, but in a way this second video is better because it shows exactly what M. Mann has done to the MWP and Maunder Minimum. It also shows where his “hockey stick” temperatures come from–by switching horses in mid-stream. No scientistist worth his salt does that! If Mann ever does decide to sue you guys, I’ll send you some cash (being rather broke myself).
Completely agree!! the second video explains things so well that my 4 and 5 year old kids get it!!
The more we can do to expose these frauds the better! Well done. They may have ‘cleared’ themselves with their own bought and paid for self-serving committee, but the truth is the truth and they can’t escape. It doesn’t matter how many liars they gather together to shrug their shoulders and say ‘we found no wrongdoing’. The fact is – Mann and all the others have done WRONG. And they must be taken to task for it. They should be drummed out of their jobs and forbidden from ever preaching their dogma ever again. They’ve been given millions from American taxpayers through Obama’s corrupt slush fund (which he calls a stimulus package). And that not only makes them liars – it makes them thieves on a grander scale than most actual burglars and robbers could ever hope to achieve through long years of plundering. Mann and his crook cohorts did it with the mere stroke of a pen. They must be so proud that they turned out to be better robbers with science than robbers are with robbery.
Post MORE of these videos and drag these liars screaming into the open so they can burn under the light of truth and scrutiny. Gore is already on the run. Now we need to stick it to the Mann!
Great. I will share this with fam and friends. keep them coming.
nice one )))
Never mind Michael Mann being angry, the Gods are mightily offended by our Global Warming ways and must be appeased by sacrifices placed in the mouth of the Volcano. Offerings of flatulent bovines or iridescent light bulbs will never do; the Gods want Virgins, scientific Virgins! Round up all of those who have been untouched by logical, precise and exacting examination, the AGW crowd, and begin dropping them into Eyjafjallajoekull. Care must be taken not to further anger the Gods by dropping these intellectually mendacious creatures from fossil fuel burning airplanes (like the ones they all rode to Copenhagen), no, it must be symbolic. A hot air balloon will do very nicely. May I suggest we begin with Al Gore? He may be just big enough to plug the crater.
What! This incompetent bully is treathening people who bring out the truth in a humourous way! I will be following this stroy on the wattsup site and I will certainly send a monetary contribution if that lawsuit comes to life.
Q4GW (Quebecers for Global Warming)
Michel Lafontaine
Fer cryin out loud now the new one is down??? Due to Jib-Jab????? WTF????
Yes. YouTube took it down, citing Jib Jab copyright infringement, which is interesting, since Jib Jab has nothing to do with it – no Jib Jab material was used in the production – it’s all original content. We’re working on restoring it right now.
Question: What are the chances an infinitesimal (.04%) trace gas (CO2), essential to photosynthesis and therefore life on this planet, is responsible for runaway Global Warming?
Answer: Infinitesimal
The IPCC now agrees. See the IPCC Technical Report section entitled Global Warming Potential (GWP). And the GWP for CO2? Just 1, (one), unity, the lowest of all green house gases (GHG). What’s more, trace gases which include GHG constitute less than 1% of the atmosphere. Of that 1%, water vapor, the most powerful GHG, makes ups 40% of the total. Carbon dioxide is 1/10th of that amount, an insignificant .04%. If carbon dioxide levels were cut in half to 200PPM, all plant growth would stop according to agricultural scientists. It’s no accident that commercial green house owner/operators invest heavily in CO2 generators to increase production, revenues and profits. Prof. Michael Mann’s Bristle cone tree proxy data (Hockey stick) proves nothing has done more to GREEN (verb) the planet over the past few decades than moderate sun-driven warming (see solar inertial motion) together with elevated levels of CO2, regardless of the source. None of these facts have been reported in the national media. Why?
Here is a link that works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3xfpp7dwI
I cannot believe that Hide the Decline II is being blocked.
WHERE IS THE MEDIA????
Fox News has just jumped in.
Excellent. Thank goodness for Fox.
Let Mann Sue!!! It will complete his downfall and he knows it because he doesn’t have a case and it will destroy any semblance of credibility he might have left.! Call his bluff and tell him to sue you! He won’t do it!
Streisand Effect #FAIL.
My GOD, the stupidity of the “No Cap and Trade Coalition” has no limits.
Now I understand the WAR ON SCIENCE in USA. Well, guys … good luck with fighting the facts.
Nice ad hominem attack, BTW. Perhaps you could enlighten us with the “facts” then? Or at least a Marxist facsimile thereof?
This ‘Carbon troll’ has come on to our site too, spewing filth and muck with no facts, leaking methane like runs on his keyboard. All the while claiming he’s being attacked, a poor victim and defending Michael Mann. Well Mr. Victim reduce your carbon footprint and turn your computer off, if you want to reduce the amount of ‘AGW’ coming from your side. I challenged you to come up with facts, basis or even a linked theory as to how fudging the facts makes them facts, or hiding the decline makes it true? Next time your under a bridge admiring all the pretty grass remember they wouldn’t be there without all that lovely CO2…
Well Al, as you know CO2 is the 5 weakest of the major greenhouse gases in its effects as feedback or forcing.
But you can’t tax cow farts or water vapor.
God bless American ingenuity…. let’s give away our God given sovereignty over to the UN because the Ocean farts a few co2 bubbles which the trees eat anyway.
Oh and let’s not forget that Al Gore owns the two largest global cap and trade regulation companies which aren’t regulated by any government. Then until Glen Beck outted him Obama was a founder and co owner of the Chicaco Carbon exchange and then within a week they sold it to a Swedish firm (oh gee there’s a coinkydink isn’t it? I’m sure Obama wasn’t concerned in the least that he was violating a presidential ethics law) I mean what the hell he’s given trillions to the banks and wall street to bail them out and provide 30 million jobs. cough choke. How many million $ bonuses were paid out of that bailout money? vs how many jobs were created?
I sat in my chair saying honey don’t worry just because we got back stabbed by our president and we lost our job he’s going to get us a job again sure as shootin.
Hmm laid off because of the economy downturn Dec 19, 2008 Now May 6th 2010 and I’m still out of work. Yep Obamma(nix) works great for me.
Victim, since you seem to be ignorant of the facts and a great bully at throwing ad hominem attacks ( that means to the man in case you didn’t know, it’s called a logical fallacy, it’s something that worthless losers stoop to when they can’t figure out what to say when they are proven wrong)
Now in regards to Michael Mann’s paper, let me enlighten you since your ignorance comes oozing from your keyboard fingers….
Michael Mann’s Paper was proven wrong shortly after the 2nd assesment of the IPCC’s paper to policy makers.
When Michael Mann gave his information over to McIntyre and McKitrick, he gave them the IP address to his ftp server thus giving them full access to things that most people had never seen. Such as his little “censored” folder.
Now M&M as they are called in Canada found out that Mann’s paper was putting for things that didn’t reach his hockey stick affect after their first attempts so he then gave them the previously mentioned IP address of his FTP server at Penn State because he accused them of using faulty info.
So they then started doing further information fact finding studies and they discovered a FORTRAN program in his work that worked as a dat mining program. Meaning it looked for certain numbers and certain data and manipulated the data to show what Mann wanted it to show. Then M&M decided to look in the “censored” file and they discovered information about the Graybill/Idso paper about the Sheep Mountain trees which had an amazing grow back. G/I warned the scientific community at large not to use data from this information as it was an anomaly. They discovered comments by Mann that without the G/I information hey couldn’t remove the Medievl warming period or the Little Ice Age periods thus ruining the smooth transition of co2 and temperatures since 1840 to about 1995 when temperatures and co2 started skyrocketing. From there after realizing through Mr Mann’s own comments in his file they removed the FORTRAN program and the G/I info and ran 10,000 tests with the proper proxies and proper pc’s in place and low and behold after 10,000 tests not one hockey stick. They put the FORTRAN and the G/I info back in and put in rediculous numbers like random numbers of different variations and each time in about 2000 tests I believe the results were the same…. hockey stick haven…. So I would ask the ignorant person who made the ad hominem attack about us global warming deniers and crazy anti cap and trade people… what should Mann be suing us over his out and out sale to the devil his integrity and ethos as a science professor at Penn State, or because he was stupid enough to give the other side his now infamous “censored” folder? I will let you decide.
Mr Victim ( and I use the honorific title of Mr. loosely for the likes of you),
Perhaps you could answer this question for me, if you can. Using the IPCC’s own figures.
We humans are putting out 30billion metric tonnes (btn) into the atmosphere at a parts per million share of 2ppm
so using basic math that anyone with over a 5th grade education can understand, that gives us 15 bmtn’s per ppm
The IPCC has estimated a skyrocketing 468 PPM in next century (so let’s say by 2111). I believe they are hopelessly and arrogantly wrong but let’s use their numbers…..
that 468 PPM equals roughly 7 f of waming within the next century, according to them. Now that 7f of warming is based on their assanine project that you need a 10-20% feedback ratio and a forcing which would raise temperatures in the next decade to 1 degree F.
so you take those numbers and that would take 33 years of 0 co2 footprint in order to bring the numbers down to what they say it should be. (now keep in mind their own experts agree that no amount of carbon reductions by human beings will make a bit of a difference, they just want to push cap and trade so they can green america and give money to people that want it without working for it like we have all our lives)
So 33 years with 0 human population on earth (after all when we breath we exhale co2) no trucks, no airplanes no factories. There would be such a great cataclysmic downfall to society that the world would never come back. now where would we stuff those 6 billion people for the next 33 years? Mars, it has a wonderful green house effect that’s more efficient than ours according the warmist scientists. Even though at midday it’s 140degrees F and at midnight it’s -120F.
Now let’s remember that their own experts say it doesn’t matter what we do about carbon output.
As the Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy nor Roman…. Anthropogenic Catastrophic Global Warming is neither manmade, catastrophic nor global but regional and since the temperatures have dropped by NASA’s own figures, it is certainly not warming.
Good night America, God bless and peace out.
The first thing I thought of when the cease&desist order was presented was: “Where is the money coming from for the lawyers?” Cui bono.
The second video is much better at explaining what is going on ….
Great video.
Keep up the great work!! MM and his CLIMATEGATE crew have perpetrated a massive fraud and I wish they could be convicted of criminal conspiracy to defraud the public or anything else that would send them all to prison.
And to borrow and paraphrase Mark Twain….”the are lies, damned lies and HOCKEY STICKS!”
I made sure to post links to this on my facebook page. We all need to spread the word about Mann’s attempt to stifle political satire.
The progressives need a reason to get 4 billion people off the planet before the carrying capacity crashes and the world falls into total chaos (cus they believe the scenario so much they are willing to lie to try to keep it from happening – their moral foot print). Hence the light slap on the piggies. But now their ace in the hole has been tarnished. No worries. New crisis. Financial system. They’ll just punt and do the Marx thing in the end anyway – 15 to 20% losses to reeducation when transitioning from a free-market system to a social justice system. (can be precisely estimated by seeing what Russia, China, Germany, Cambodia … what these countries spent in blood, no attempts to even hide it, you could narrow that to within a percent without any hockey-sticks – at least 2 billion right there).
Remember that movie with the asteroid/comet – the something-Bitterman? In the movie they build an underground ark in case plan “A” did not work. Plan “A” didn’t seem to catch on so …
Plan “B”, expect to be graded, classified, ear tagged – and for those who don’t meat the grade – the sub-delta’s of Huxley’s Brave New World, I think they have improved on their processing methods – tattoo maybe but no ovens – the ovens would release too much C02 into the air. The stars and triangles are to easy to take off to get through checkpoints but we have RFID and other things now for managing vast inventories of goods or whatever. Moo. Free range people.
Not paranoid. I just remember the stories and I remember wondering how people can be so evil, then I remembered that with each instance there was a mechanism that would allow people to separate or class themselves into a group that was civil and just while at the same time signing orders for a thousand tons of barbed wire and a train load of lumber, tools and earth moving equipment – and 100 x 240 liter drums of black dermal ink without one wrinkle of conscience. A many layered class system with one layer devoted to composting.
So long as you have a small core of people willing to flip the switch with full knowledge you can use the general masses to funnel the people and then use the core group to finish it off. That’s how the Germans could sleep at night. Worked for the “Disapeared” in Argentina. Our secretary was from Argentina – a decade and another job ago. She only talked to me about it once. She was in the US for years and for good but even here, the look of horror and loss on her face. A fear to speak in case the powers decide to take you still present a continent away and after all those years. I will never forget it.
But know worries. We ill all see that look for ourselves when we look in the mirror. When the US falls, the world falls, and the government becomes the selection force in the Darwinian model they hold for a cosmology. Cool if you are an alpha. not so cool if you are the only sub-delta in a group of 41 and there are “deemed” to be only 40 slots. Since the whole process is irrational what sort of argument would you make to beg for your life? May as well just be silent like a lamb to the slaughter and let them do what they are going to do.
They know they are lying and they don’t care if you know it if they are fairly confident that you cannot do anything about it. We have, on the whole, given them lots of reasons to believe we cannot do anything about it. So they lied. They cut the tackle loose and let us get tangled in it while they re-rig and cast in another spot. They are social justice-ing the financial sector now. The numbers are even fuzzier since a lot of them were made up to begin with. Its all happening rather faster then I imagined it would. It was my grandfather in the history looking at the Nazi u-boats off the Jersey shore. Never thought I would see anything this horrific on the horizon. I just pray to God I can face it like a man, you know, without spilling my lemonade down the front of my pants.
You could get invited to “The Island”!
Bruce you should really be careful, you’re going to get a red sticker on your walkway or mailbox soon and find yourself in a FEMA (terrorist) camp.
I’m sure I’m already at least on the blue if not red list.
I just wonder. Would the people be so willing to get into the trucks and go to the barbed wire army projected compounds if that asteroid/comet could not be seen so clearly and menacingly in the sky like it was in the movie? What if the comet was a rock and it was moving so fast you could not see it until moments before impact and you had to believe the astronomers orbital plots and impact estimates? The media wouldn’t lie about something like that, would they? Astronomers are not like – oh wait. Isn’t NASA mixed up in all this climate stuff? I do believe they have a stake. All on the government payrolls.
Would it be so easy to get in the truck on a nice warm sunny day with the skies clear? What if they revered it and the one’s staying were the ones selected to live and everyone on the truck had a genetic flaw or a behavioral past or were just too old. “Sorry, mother earth just cannot bear your existence any longer and frankly, neither can we.” Its the name of the ark. Didn’t you watch the movie? Of course not, that’s why you are on the truck.
Gets merky when people don’t tell the truth and you do not know who to trust. I will pledge to be as honest as a fallen human can with God’s help and tell the truth always. It seems to be the best and only way to stem this tide, this decent into darkness. If we all really understand the value of the Truth and do our utmost to be people of honor and integrity. You have to decide, like I have, if your honor is worth your life. Not possible if you have not already figured out that without honor, life isn’t worth living anyway.
So bring it on – Global Warming – Financial Crisis – Global nuclear security threats and the need for global ear tag like things ….. I’m ready to say no way.
Fear is the razor wire that will bind us if we let it.
You said it very eloquently, Bruce. Truth, God’s morality, and honor are the only hope for Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness on this planet.
Nicely done on both clips. Curious behaviour by JibJab – perhaps they feel threatened by your satirising skills?
I’m here via Jo Nova’s site BTW. Keep up the good work.
AL gore is no better he was just involved with it as anyone ! Just looking for a paycheck!!!what a crock of s—!!
One must really wonder about the MSM (Main Stream Marxists) and their lack of integrity. Just how long ago was this same Al Whore debating Ross Perot about NAFTA, and we all see who turned out to be right? After his numerous lies during that “debate” the MSM should have given him no credibility whatsoever, yet Big Al just keeps a right on a lying and they are there to soak up every word of it.
Mann, this Mann’s got thin skin! Never heard of him before this. He should be basking in Global Fame.
Maybe M4GW should be asking him for royalties? Same with the University and its free international PR.
Al Gore, Chairman of Google, Chairman of Generation Investment – (presumably his chums will no doubt have the min $3m dollars invested) now want to control of the internet. Notice how everything controversial is disappearing fast ?
Yeah, Bring it on.
Hey, Mann, if you don’t want the exposure, stay in the closet. Besides, Mann, your ignorance is showing (in many areas).
The climate warming is a fraud. Good job on the videos, that talking tree with the eyes will be in my brain forever! Good luck guys!
I have to admit I like the second video much better. Do not let the liberals and their fear mongering (oh wait strike that), defense of truth and conscensus scare you. You will get rewards in the end. Especially if he sues you and all of the bogus data is laid bare for all to see.
Penn State needs to get rid of Mann……..Leftist wacko! Oh wait, colleges love Socialist Enviro-Extremists……I forgot…….
Mann is a complete moron for this. I had never seen any of these videos until the fool threatened the suit and Fox News picked up on the story. You know how many copies of these links I have e-mailed today, and how many more my friends will forward to their friends?
In evaluating scientific conduct, it was found that all these people were following standard operating procedures – in other words,
they are involved in data fudging and misrepresentation nearly all the time, and sue you if you do not like it.
Iti is great to see that scientism is on the decline.
I would just call what they are doing flat-out lying, to be quite frank with you.
Penn State had been a good school. Now, it seems they are in serious decline. What happened? Bad recruiting?
They seem to only care about paper publishihng and nothing about scientific integrity.
Thank you Thank you Thank you. This spoof will become a cultural icon of our times. Michael Mann is a criminal against science and an enemy of truth. He deserves to be hounded till he leaves the planet.
Idea for another video: Don’t you think Dr. Michael Mann resembles Hermie’s supervisor in Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer? Be sure to check for copyright infringement before you use it!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/401091071_36a473c073_b.jpg
Looking forward to your next installment! Great job!
If Dr. Mann sues, don’t forget to counter sue.
Why should he get all the fun.
I think a new video with Mann and Gore’s faces on big turds would be great.
Can you guys post statistics about temperatures and other scientific info so we can use that to show others that there is no warming?
Thanks guys! We need more people out here like yourselves to hammer home what is really going on!
BTW, do you think global warming might be the reason that Guam could “tip over”?
This just showed up on Fox News. I think it would be a good idea for you to publish new events like this on your site.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/30/virginia-attorney-general-global-warming-michael-mann/
Mann from Penn State to State Penn
Dr Mann is a Yale Grad….Did you expect anything different?
The producers broke the law when they stole his image without permission. Full stop.
Actually, they shouldn’t use cap and tax, they should ration fuel and reserve its use for strict necessities. The tree rings don’t match the known increase in temperatures, because the air is so polluted from the “other” toxic greenhouse gases that trees ARE in decline. Ozone from volatile organic compounds in fuel emissions is inexorably rising in the troposphere. Vegetation is extremely sensitive to ozone which damages stomata and interferes with the ability to photosynthesize. Cumulative exposure over decades is killing trees at a rapidly accelerating rate, especially because they become more vulnerable to insects, disease and fungus. Annual crops are being decreased and if we don’t stop adding more and more nitrogen dioxides into the air widespread crop failure and mass famine will result.
And that’s all on TOP of the extreme weather events caused by a warming climate.
It’s just ludicrous that anyone could believe that fat guy with the bad teeth could be credibly claiming there is a decline in temperatures when record-breaking highs are occurring all over the world, along with record breaking floods and wildfires, all consistent with climate change predictions for the result of a changing climate.
Even the US EPA and the Agriculture dept., as infested as they are with fossil and biofuel lackeys, know quite well what is happening to plants because of ozone. And besides, all you have to do is take a look at them:
http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2010/07/evidence-that-toxic-emissions-in.html
Gail, what do you mean, “crops are being decreased”? Farmers in the midwest have been having record crop yields in recent years. Crop yields are most definitely not in decline.
Gail is right on. but I still like simple songs, and moving pictures. Did Jib Jab produce these?
P.S. Gail: turn off your computer, start growing your own food, and don’t buy anything shipped or made with petroleum. Then maybe your opinion would be worth something. Until then, you are just another hypocrite.
Aweseme info thanks!