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		<title>By: Brian Gray</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-1629</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome Awesome Awesome!!!  I&#039;m, beginning to think there is hope for defeating these Ruling Elite wannabes like Al Gore who would have us all become their serfs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome Awesome Awesome!!!  I&#8217;m, beginning to think there is hope for defeating these Ruling Elite wannabes like Al Gore who would have us all become their serfs.</p>
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		<title>By: joanne</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara, thoes are some well said words. Fifty years ago we didn&#039;t know what a credit card was. My Dad saved a little each week, then if something broke down he had the cash to pay for it. Many people here in TN are growing gardens, canning and returning to the old ways. We the people need to accept responsibility for ourselves. We have become lazy, sitting around, waiting for the government to give us a handout. We need to get back to being self-sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara, thoes are some well said words. Fifty years ago we didn&#8217;t know what a credit card was. My Dad saved a little each week, then if something broke down he had the cash to pay for it. Many people here in TN are growing gardens, canning and returning to the old ways. We the people need to accept responsibility for ourselves. We have become lazy, sitting around, waiting for the government to give us a handout. We need to get back to being self-sufficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we need to start with ourselves, especially since that is really the only thing that we do have total control over.  The best way to impact these government evildoers is to hit them where it hurts-economically.  We must unplug ourselves from their world and go back to taking care of ourselves.  Stop using credit cards, banks, and debit cards.  Pay cash for anything you can and/or even better, go back to bartering.  It will be very difficult to do as we are so accustomed to this easier life, but that&#039;s what &quot;they&quot; are banking on.  

My husband and I had a conversation a few days ago about unplugging.  I grew up in a small farming community.  My father did everything and could make anything.  My mom canned vegetables from our garden.  Nothing seemed impossible in my house from the perception of a child and that&#039;s how I thought everyone lived.  So I tell my city raised husband how easy it would be, remembering my childhood.  And he tells me how impossible and difficult it would be for people to do this because it was so hard and people don&#039;t even know how to grow vegetables.  So I replied, &quot;So you&#039;re telling me that we have become too stupid and unskilled to sustain ourselves if we had to?&quot;  YES!  Think of all of our education and degrees in this country-what did we really learn?  Think of everything that has been outsourced-most manufacturing and a lot of farming.  What really can we do other than &quot;close the deal&quot; and &quot;get that report ready?&quot;  

I know that many do still possess life skills, but not like back in the day when they had no choice but to sustain themselves.  That&#039;s where I think we need to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we need to start with ourselves, especially since that is really the only thing that we do have total control over.  The best way to impact these government evildoers is to hit them where it hurts-economically.  We must unplug ourselves from their world and go back to taking care of ourselves.  Stop using credit cards, banks, and debit cards.  Pay cash for anything you can and/or even better, go back to bartering.  It will be very difficult to do as we are so accustomed to this easier life, but that&#8217;s what &#8220;they&#8221; are banking on.  </p>
<p>My husband and I had a conversation a few days ago about unplugging.  I grew up in a small farming community.  My father did everything and could make anything.  My mom canned vegetables from our garden.  Nothing seemed impossible in my house from the perception of a child and that&#8217;s how I thought everyone lived.  So I tell my city raised husband how easy it would be, remembering my childhood.  And he tells me how impossible and difficult it would be for people to do this because it was so hard and people don&#8217;t even know how to grow vegetables.  So I replied, &#8220;So you&#8217;re telling me that we have become too stupid and unskilled to sustain ourselves if we had to?&#8221;  YES!  Think of all of our education and degrees in this country-what did we really learn?  Think of everything that has been outsourced-most manufacturing and a lot of farming.  What really can we do other than &#8220;close the deal&#8221; and &#8220;get that report ready?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I know that many do still possess life skills, but not like back in the day when they had no choice but to sustain themselves.  That&#8217;s where I think we need to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-423</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course that&#039;s the text book definition... But I mean in practice. And if we deploy the rights of our sovereignty you say exists does our sovereignty mean the explotation of the rights of the rest of the world? What your calling foreign powers, then how democratic in fact are we really? Are we then contradictory and not worth credit? The world is a shared globe, and our supreme laws can not afford us rights that we would not have implimented against ourselves or we are exploitatious, and are internally self inconsistent hence no one should honor that. Fact is are we what we say we are, a free and democratic nation? Do we treat others the way we expect to be treated? If were saying we have the right to exploit others via our so called Sovereignty at will then we are hippocrits and its all bombast... We need to be able to eat our own dog food or were a sham... We need to accept responsiblity if we are in fact culpable, question is are we and if so exactly how much? In any event if we have shared in damages, then to the proportion we are we should be responsible for our mistakes. Sovereignty can&#039;t be used as some kind of blanket right to do to others what we dont want done to ourselves.... Thats not democratic at all, sounds like a kings logic which is antithetical to the spirt of a REPUBLIC...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course that&#8217;s the text book definition&#8230; But I mean in practice. And if we deploy the rights of our sovereignty you say exists does our sovereignty mean the explotation of the rights of the rest of the world? What your calling foreign powers, then how democratic in fact are we really? Are we then contradictory and not worth credit? The world is a shared globe, and our supreme laws can not afford us rights that we would not have implimented against ourselves or we are exploitatious, and are internally self inconsistent hence no one should honor that. Fact is are we what we say we are, a free and democratic nation? Do we treat others the way we expect to be treated? If were saying we have the right to exploit others via our so called Sovereignty at will then we are hippocrits and its all bombast&#8230; We need to be able to eat our own dog food or were a sham&#8230; We need to accept responsiblity if we are in fact culpable, question is are we and if so exactly how much? In any event if we have shared in damages, then to the proportion we are we should be responsible for our mistakes. Sovereignty can&#8217;t be used as some kind of blanket right to do to others what we dont want done to ourselves&#8230;. Thats not democratic at all, sounds like a kings logic which is antithetical to the spirt of a REPUBLIC&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-392</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember that Kerry is a member of Skull and Bones.  So, if he had won the presidency he would have been another presidential member of the secret society.  So, don&#039;t make it appear that only the republican Bush was a member.  I&#039;m sure there are other members of congress that belong as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember that Kerry is a member of Skull and Bones.  So, if he had won the presidency he would have been another presidential member of the secret society.  So, don&#8217;t make it appear that only the republican Bush was a member.  I&#8217;m sure there are other members of congress that belong as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that ... a nation of morons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that &#8230; a nation of morons</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sovereignty means the right to govern ourselves, to manage our internal affairs without taking orders from foreign powers. Our laws, created by representatives elected by us are the supreme law and only authority under which we live - that&#039;s what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sovereignty means the right to govern ourselves, to manage our internal affairs without taking orders from foreign powers. Our laws, created by representatives elected by us are the supreme law and only authority under which we live &#8211; that&#8217;s what it means.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember when Gandalf was talking with the head of his order Souromon and mentioned that Souron &quot;Does not share power&quot;... Souromon thougt Souron was to great to defend against so if you can&#039;t beat them join them was his answer... hmm?

Strange, I wonder if American &quot;sovereignty&quot;  means maintaining our right to exploit the rest of the world? This is a strange issue indeed to be sure. Sounds like the idea of freedom loss is stemming from the rest of the people of the world having a say about what we do the rest of the planet. [true of false] Sounds like something liberal democrats will love and conservative Republicans will hate. Sounds like sharing the say is considered a loss of FREEDOM to some types of people and institutions. All I have to say is WOW... I marvel at what people do and think, its often amazing to me. But in my conception balance amongst all the players is the goal and the way to optimize this process is I believe it is via Living game-systems theory... I imagine I am a radical egalitarian in many respects... I will have to take a much closer look at this issue and the details surrounding it, but my intuition smells something funny for sure...
 
Paul...

What is fair to the human race, what is fair to most people involved, whats fair to the most people effected and should they have equal say or not, is not the American way and democracy about that? Or should choice only go to Americans about what goes on for or in the world itself as a whole? Especially when what it does in its borders impacts those outside of it... Reminds me of when the Supreme court in Canada sided with Monsanto and stated something equivilant to people having to place a fence around their property because the person next door got Cows! The idea stemed from pollination and corn, but the concept is equally questionable... Are we saying something like that should we. Let us do what ever we want and if it impacts you then hey find a way to protect youself free of charge to us... hmm real democratic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when Gandalf was talking with the head of his order Souromon and mentioned that Souron &#8220;Does not share power&#8221;&#8230; Souromon thougt Souron was to great to defend against so if you can&#8217;t beat them join them was his answer&#8230; hmm?</p>
<p>Strange, I wonder if American &#8220;sovereignty&#8221;  means maintaining our right to exploit the rest of the world? This is a strange issue indeed to be sure. Sounds like the idea of freedom loss is stemming from the rest of the people of the world having a say about what we do the rest of the planet. [true of false] Sounds like something liberal democrats will love and conservative Republicans will hate. Sounds like sharing the say is considered a loss of FREEDOM to some types of people and institutions. All I have to say is WOW&#8230; I marvel at what people do and think, its often amazing to me. But in my conception balance amongst all the players is the goal and the way to optimize this process is I believe it is via Living game-systems theory&#8230; I imagine I am a radical egalitarian in many respects&#8230; I will have to take a much closer look at this issue and the details surrounding it, but my intuition smells something funny for sure&#8230;</p>
<p>Paul&#8230;</p>
<p>What is fair to the human race, what is fair to most people involved, whats fair to the most people effected and should they have equal say or not, is not the American way and democracy about that? Or should choice only go to Americans about what goes on for or in the world itself as a whole? Especially when what it does in its borders impacts those outside of it&#8230; Reminds me of when the Supreme court in Canada sided with Monsanto and stated something equivilant to people having to place a fence around their property because the person next door got Cows! The idea stemed from pollination and corn, but the concept is equally questionable&#8230; Are we saying something like that should we. Let us do what ever we want and if it impacts you then hey find a way to protect youself free of charge to us&#8230; hmm real democratic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-297</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH.</description>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://www.NoCapAndTrade.com/countdown-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try telling that to the Ninevites who the prophet Jonah did NOT want to preach God&#039;s judgement to 
because he knew of God&#039;s desire for people to genuinely repent so that He&#039;d be justified to then forgive them
and those Ninevites were the most malicious city of the known world at that time, especially to the Jewish people,
so the Jewish prophet Jonah did NOT want them to repent so that God would forgive them!

Because they did, God delayed when His predicted (through Jonah) judgement against their city would occur.
Which means He still kept His promise since He did not say when He would judge the city.

He desires the same for these days as well from every part of the world.
THIS MEANS GOD HAS GIVEN US THE POWER TO HAVE HIM DELAY WHEN HIS REWARDS WILL OCCUR, AS WELL AS WHEN HIS PUNISHMENTS WILL.
(Jesus is the reason for every season;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try telling that to the Ninevites who the prophet Jonah did NOT want to preach God&#8217;s judgement to<br />
because he knew of God&#8217;s desire for people to genuinely repent so that He&#8217;d be justified to then forgive them<br />
and those Ninevites were the most malicious city of the known world at that time, especially to the Jewish people,<br />
so the Jewish prophet Jonah did NOT want them to repent so that God would forgive them!</p>
<p>Because they did, God delayed when His predicted (through Jonah) judgement against their city would occur.<br />
Which means He still kept His promise since He did not say when He would judge the city.</p>
<p>He desires the same for these days as well from every part of the world.<br />
THIS MEANS GOD HAS GIVEN US THE POWER TO HAVE HIM DELAY WHEN HIS REWARDS WILL OCCUR, AS WELL AS WHEN HIS PUNISHMENTS WILL.<br />
(Jesus is the reason for every season;)</p>
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